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i’m Catholic but by no means a theologian or great thinker. On the other hand we all spend a few minutes in thought with questions regarding our beliefs. i like to read and share good articles from people who are great thinkers or in some instances theologians, from time to time. If you’re an atheist you probably dismiss anything to do with God as myth. Something tells me the path to your conclusion started with questions that slid into doubts-that slid into disbelief. An agnostic is a fence sitter. Personally,i believe an agnostic is someone who is fooling themselves but i digress. Let’s stick with the people who believe in God and have read scripture. What got me onto this topic was the article i recently posted. Hope you had a chance to read it: https://americafirst.blog/2021/04/16/a-question-of-god-part-2-the-subtle-intentions-behind-satans-questions/
A long time ago on a message board or forum of some kind i got into a debate with a faithful believer. It wasn’t a big deal but we definitely went back and forth about it for awhile. In the end we agreed to disagree. We were discussing the very topic mentioned in the article; the fall of Adam and Eve or the fall of man. He said they knew right from wrong, that is they could discern good from evil. I posited that they didn’t know either. I believed they were created by God in a state of innocence. They didn’t know good from evil because they didn’t have to. They had no need. All they had to do was TRUST God their Creator, OBEY God born out of their trust and enjoy the FREEDOM God gave them. They could eat the fruit of ALL the trees save one. (Wow! Talk about freedom). i based this on 2 passages from Genesis. First, the serpent’s (Satan)temptation that they would be like God knowing good from evil. The other is the passage that tells us that sin and death entered the world AFTER their fall.
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, lest you die.’” 4 And the serpent said to the woman, “You surely shall not die! 5 For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate (Genesis 3:1-6).
“Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” It’s not what God said. PERIOD. The words were twisted to mean something they did not. It’s obvious God gave man a wide berth of freedom and a miniscule limit. What we can first take away is that God gave man freedom from the beginning. Man was created that way. It’s also obvious that for man’s own benefit God gave man a limit. God created man in a state of innocence and wanted him to remain that way but He also gave man the gift of free will; the serpent was tempting Eve to question God, fail to trust Him which ultimately would lead to disobedience and abuse of the freedom they had been given. Adam failed to trust God. All Eve did was offer the fruit. It didn’t take the serpent to tempt Adam and convince him to disobey. After the fall God eventually gave Moses the 10 commandments. The 10 thou shall nots. TEN. The limits God placed on man’s freedom since his loss of innocence. Again, all meant for man’s benefit & keep man from abusing his human freedom. Now man had to choose between an objective good and evil. Jesus summed up the 10 in the one Great Commandment. Love God, neighbor and self or the you shall. Again, God calls on man to trust Him, which if you get the relationship right acknowledging God as Creator and man as creature, there is no reason not to.
Man here means mankind, referring to both male and female, that is BOTH genders. Before anyone goes crazy it is not meant to be a slight on females. Most people understand the meaning of these terms without explanation. Let me be clear here though; there are only 2 genders and i am never going to refer to a gender that is non existent. Sorry, but that’s lunacy.
The story of the fall highlights the following:
Man was created in a state of innocence, with free will. “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” Nope. God said they could have ALL but one.
God gave man freedom that was not meant to be abused and if it were there were consequences.
The serpent (Satan) used intellectual dishonesty to get Eve to falter in her right relationship with God. He persuaded her that she was missing something she was not and that God was withholding something that God simply did not want her to have. The truth is God gave man life. All God asked for was trust and as Creator 1. God had a right to expect this. 2. there was no reason not to.
The story of man hasn’t changed has it? Do you think Adam and Eve knew right from wrong(good from evil)from the beginning or do you think they were totally innocent and had no idea till their fall? Feel free to leave your thoughts in a comment.
If you’re an atheist pls tell me why you think God does not exist and what brought you to that conclusion.
A side note to the story in Genesis; at least Eve blamed Satan. Adam blamed God. According to Adam, God gave him the woman so it was God’s fault.
We saw in our previous article that the fact that God in the Bible asks questions does not imply that his omniscience is limited. On the contrary, we argued that his asking questions was a way in which he revealed to the one interrogated the true state of play, or reality, in other words.
This invariably meant exposing humans’ erroneous thinking and manipulative emotional states.But it is interesting that God does not ask the first question in the Bible, which is also the first question to be asked “in the beginning.”
No, that dubious honor belongs to the serpent in the familiar tale of Adam and Eve, which British historian Richard Cavendish describes as “one of the key myths of European civilization.”
He says that it “lights up a whole network of reactions and connections in the mind.”Who is the serpent and what is the question? And why is it important, or in Cavendish’s language, what is lit up in the mind by it?
The serpent who asks the question is generally considered to be Satan, the arch-adversary of God and of man. Let’s consider the question he asks. There has been a whole ruckus of controversy that Satan’s question in Genesis is addressed to Eve, not Adam, and that this implies that the woman is the weaker sex.
Certainly, Milton in his “Paradise Lost” put this spin on the story. But I think, in reality, neither sex was the weaker one. Both were dreadfully culpable as both were eager to defy the prohibition, and Adam did so, it would seem, without any scruples.
Continue Reading Here: A Question of God, Part 2: The Subtle Intentions Behind Satan’s Questions